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PostSubject: Hidden stuff in Valis game files   Wed 10 Sep 2008, 8:39 pm

Me and my friend found a way to direct rip sprites from the files of Valis games and we found some pretty interesting things I thought where worth sharing.

In Valis 1 PCE we found Yuko sprites of a completely different style (possibly similar to Valis 3?), sprites of Yuko in her school outfit doing magic (pce 1 style), and a completed death animation for Reiko (it fades out in the game)

In Valis 4 we found sprites of Zalude (the green general of Valis 3) and Rogles (Valis 3 style)

What's interesting about those sprites is they are placed in the boss positions in the files. In the sprites the enemies come first then the boss is below the enemies for a each level

Here's a sample:


The enemy group above doesn't follow any other enemy group patterns in the sprites. As if a level was planned that was removed.

I'll also take this time to debunk something. The Valis 4 wiki said Cham could be played in Valis 4 pce I've confirmed that to 100% false because there are no Cham sprites except for the one standing frame in the files. So I took the liberty of correcting that.
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PostSubject: Re: Hidden stuff in Valis game files   Thu 11 Sep 2008, 5:31 pm

What program are you using, Tile Layer? And what files are you looking into? I still don't have any of my PC Engine discs dumped.
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PostSubject: Re: Hidden stuff in Valis game files   Thu 11 Sep 2008, 7:20 pm

TM Mod. You need to run it in dosbox or you won't be able to get the entire screen for the rip. The sprites are in the first actual iso file on roms. I personally own both iso versions and regular versions of the Valis games. Iso versions have nice preripped soundtracks : )
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PostSubject: Re: Hidden stuff in Valis game files   Fri 12 Sep 2008, 2:46 pm

Shocked

*no comment*
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PostSubject: Re: Hidden stuff in Valis game files   Sun 14 Sep 2008, 5:32 pm

If you have the japanese version of Valis 3 PCE there's some interesting extra tracks.

track 63: Yuko, Valna, Cham, Glamses, Rogles, Zalude, and Ashura give little speaches

Track 64: appears to be an alternate speach for Yuko VS Glamses
Track 65: appears to be Valna VS Glamses
Track 66: appears to be Cham VS Glamses
Track 67: Yuko talking to Cham (no background music)
Track 68: Cham talking to Yuko (agian no music)
Track 69: Yuko Vs someone I'm not sure who
Track 70: Valna Vs whoever that is in 69
Track 71: Cham Vs the above guy
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PostSubject: Re: Hidden stuff in Valis game files   Sun 14 Sep 2008, 8:51 pm

I know there is some information on this webpage about those hidden tracks. (The webpage is in Japanese, though.)

Apparently, a couple of the tracks suggest that there was supposed to be an end battle of sorts for Cham or Valna against a fake Yuko. Also, Valna and Cham were also originally intended to face Glames as well (not just Yuko, as in the final game).

As far as the final tracks are conserned, the website seems to suggest that the "mystery boss" is Leigh, Glames' fortune teller. Of course, in the final game, we don't really know what had happened to her after the one cinematic where Glames tells her that she doesn't need her to tell him the outcome of the duel against him (and Leethus) and Yuko (and Valis).
I guess these tracks kind of possibly gives some insight to what happened. Oops

Fou-Lu wrote:
If you have the japanese version of Valis 3 PCE there's some interesting extra tracks.

track 63: Yuko, Valna, Cham, Glamses, Rogles, Zalude, and Ashura give little speaches

Track 64: appears to be an alternate speach for Yuko VS Glamses
Track 65: appears to be Valna VS Glamses
Track 66: appears to be Cham VS Glamses
Track 67: Yuko talking to Cham (no background music)
Track 68: Cham talking to Yuko (agian no music)
Track 69: Yuko Vs someone I'm not sure who
Track 70: Valna Vs whoever that is in 69
Track 71: Cham Vs the above guy
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PostSubject: Re: Hidden stuff in Valis game files   Mon 15 Sep 2008, 1:27 am

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Apparently, a couple of the tracks suggest that there was supposed to be an end battle of sorts for Cham or Valna against a fake Yuko.

........?? Shocked

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Also, Valna and Cham were also originally intended to face Glames as well (not just Yuko, as in the final game).

..............huh?? Shocked

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As far as the final tracks are conserned, the website seems to suggest that the "mystery boss" is Leigh, Glames' fortune teller. Of course, in the final game, we don't really know what had happened to her after the one cinematic where Glames tells her that she doesn't need her to tell him the outcome of the duel against him (and Leethus) and Yuko (and Valis).

wh.. wha wha wha wha .... sad eyes .... happy eyes happy heart this is so exciting Chu chu

now I really wish if Leigh is the final boss!! happy eyes that will be really so cool!

and wait! what type of bad-boss she could be? what attacks will she use?!! Chu

we NEED to talk about the fake Yuko, cham/valna vs Glames, and the final boss Leigh MORE!! Chu Chu
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PostSubject: Re: Hidden stuff in Valis game files   Mon 15 Sep 2008, 1:55 am

This stuff could help make some very interesting fanfics, since the hidden tracks suggest there was supposed to be a fake Yuko and Leigh as the final boss... although in Valis 4, you had to fight two Yukos. If the warrior Yuko was a projection by the goddess Yuko and would have no chance to be the fake Yuko suggested in Valis 3, who knows what the fake Yuko could be doing.

Or Leigh for that matter, as her fate (and Dark World's fate) were never revealed in Valis 3 nor Valis 4 (unless there was a detail in Valis 4 that explained what happened to Dark World). All are good possibilities for some interesting fanfics...
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PostSubject: Re: Hidden stuff in Valis game files   Thu 25 Dec 2008, 10:38 pm

*removes dust off of his armor* It's been a while since I visited last, but this topic got my attention as I was looking up Valis stuff again (and I knew you guys always delivered).

As stated already, the fate of Leigh is not clear. However, I'm confused about a few things in the original Valis game on Famicom that weren't explained clearly either. Most notably about the final boss. For those who've beaten it, you know that Rogles isn't the TRUE final boss. I'm not sure who is (because I haven't yet played through Valis+ to read the translation), but could this be an early concept for Leigh's role in Valis 3?

As far as actual opinions go, I'm more inclined to believe Leigh forsaw the outcome of the battle and managed to flee Dark World after the generals were defeated and Glames headed out for the final duel. However, there's also the possibility that she stayed for Glames' sake, having NOT looked into the matter. And...anyone want to note a possible love connection between Leigh and Glames? There's no hints to it, but considering that Leigh is the ONLY female villain in the series (Reiko not included, as she was acting under Rogles' dark influence) and she's Glames' oracle... *pokes the fanfic belly*
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PostSubject: Re: Hidden stuff in Valis game files   Sat 27 Dec 2008, 3:23 am

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And...anyone want to note a possible love connection between Leigh and Glames?

A love connection between Glames and Leigh? scratch

It's possible. If anything, she did not exactly vocalize it to him, though, much rather keep it inside. Anyway, we don't really know too much about Leigh...that is her past, her motivations, etc. Could certainly be someting to be explored in a fanfic. Wink

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(Reiko not included, as she was acting under Rogles' dark influence)

Actually, I believe Reiko (at the time) was acting on her volition, even though she was coarced into fighting for Rogles. After all, at the time she pretty much hated the world/universe she felt because no one loved her. She didn't really care what happened to anybody. It wasn't until when she was dying that she actually found that someone DID care for her (Yuko), and she had a change of heart (although it was a bit late...at least, for her "human" life).
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PostSubject: Re: Hidden stuff in Valis game files   Sat 27 Dec 2008, 7:02 am

iannafei wrote:
Actually, I believe Reiko (at the time) was acting on her volition, even though she was coarced into fighting for Rogles. After all, at the time she pretty much hated the world/universe she felt because no one loved her. She didn't really care what happened to anybody. It wasn't until when she was dying that she actually found that someone DID care for her (Yuko), and she had a change of heart (although it was a bit late...at least, for her "human" life).

100% agree! Surprised
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PostSubject: Re: Hidden stuff in Valis game files   Sun 28 Dec 2008, 7:10 pm

But...EvilReiko, in your site it states that Yuko did not care for Reiko until after their battle, and that Yuko disliked her and pretended to be friendly to avoid confrontation. It also states that they fought several times. When? I am only aware of one, when Reiko died. And was Reiko in any games besides Valis II? I know she died, but that never stopped some characters*coughGokufromDBZcough*. And here I thought Sasuke from Naruto was emo.... XD
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PostSubject: Re: Hidden stuff in Valis game files   Mon 29 Dec 2008, 1:49 am

I know I'm not EvilReiko, but I just wanted to give my 2 meseta on things...

TurboYuko16 wrote:
But...EvilReiko, in your site it states that Yuko did not care for Reiko until after their battle, and that Yuko disliked her and pretended to be friendly to avoid confrontation.

IMHO, I think Yuko didn't really know Reiko...may they shared homeroom together, and Yuko probably knew of the kind of "reputation" Reiko had (ie., Reiko probably bullied people around and stuff 'cause she was rich...kind of like B-ko in [u]Project A-ko[/b] sort of thing). It was most likely the first time the two actually talked to each other was at the very beginning of the game, when Yuko encountered Reiko under the eaves.

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It also states that they fought several times. When? I am only aware of one, when Reiko died.

Hmm...I know there is one cinema in the PCEngine CD version of Valis where Yuko encounters Reiko and a bunch of Rogles soldiers at one point, but they didn't actually fight. It is not until the end of that one stage that they actually fight. I don't really know if they have more than one battle in the manga (if you consider it "cannon", that is).

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And was Reiko in any games besides Valis II? I know she died, but that never stopped some characters*coughGokufromDBZcough*. And here I thought Sasuke from Naruto was emo.... XD

Well, there is an illusion of Reiko on the Nivilarn (I can't remember how it was spelled) Road (that is, the road leading to Sutherland) in Valis 3, but it wasn't really her per se.

Speaking of that...notice that there's an illusion of Reiko (whom Yuko of Valis 1 knows) and an illusion of Valia (whom both Yuko of Valis 3 and Valna know) there? I just wonder why there isn't an illusion of someone that Cham knows...like her dad, Baron Lada?
I mean, poor Cham...she hardly gets any respect. Crying or Very sad
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PostSubject: Re: Hidden stuff in Valis game files   Wed 31 Dec 2008, 11:58 am

That last part made no sense...Remember, the only game I know is the TG-16 Valis II. Was Reiko in Valis I? And for some reason, Cham reminds me of Reiko, they look similar...
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PostSubject: Re: Hidden stuff in Valis game files   Wed 31 Dec 2008, 12:48 pm

TurboYuko16 wrote:
That last part made no sense...Remember, the only game I know is the TG-16 Valis II. Was Reiko in Valis I? And for some reason, Cham reminds me of Reiko, they look similar...

Reiko is a "Dark Valis warrior" appears in Valis 1 as a human who serves King Rogles (Megas' brother and king of the Darkworld) in the end, Yuko and Reiko fights, Yuko win and Reiko... dead, this event makes Yuko furious and kill Rogles...

Cham is a character from the Dark World who stole the sword of Valis from Yuko to defeat Glames, the (new...?) king of the Dark World who haves the sword of Leethus (the "counterpart" of the sword of Valis), Glames killed Cham's father (Baron Lada), finally Cham (who use a whip, by the way) joins Yuko and Valna (Yuko's sister, see Valis II) to defeat Glames, the end? I think you hate the end. XP

PS: Use Cham in Valis III remebers me Castlevania games in Glames Tower and the Cemetery. XD
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PostSubject: Re: Hidden stuff in Valis game files   Wed 31 Dec 2008, 5:25 pm

TurboYuko16 wrote:
But...EvilReiko, in your site it states that Yuko did not care for Reiko until after their battle, and that Yuko disliked her and pretended to be friendly to avoid confrontation. It also states that they fought several times. When? I am only aware of one, when Reiko died. And was Reiko in any games besides Valis II? I know she died, but that never stopped some characters*coughGokufromDBZcough*. And here I thought Sasuke from Naruto was emo.... XD

oh, sorry for replying just today, I didn't notice your post before now heh-heh + fear

iannafei wrote:
IMHO, I think Yuko didn't really know Reiko...may they shared homeroom together, and Yuko probably knew of the kind of "reputation" Reiko had (ie., Reiko probably bullied people around and stuff 'cause she was rich...kind of like B-ko in [u]Project A-ko[/b] sort of thing). It was most likely the first time the two actually talked to each other was at the very beginning of the game, when Yuko encountered Reiko under the eaves.

I don't think they shared a room/apartment, because the way they talked seemed like they don't really stay with each or talk to each other.

most likely it's like you said that both talked for first time in the beginning of Valis 1, but that might be NOT the first time, you know why? because Yuko noticed that Reiko is walking out into rain while her house in the other direction. So, Yuko knew Reiko's house location, which means properly they had few/rare chats before this time meh most likely, they are just classmates

TurboYuko16 wrote:
But...EvilReiko, in your site it states that Yuko did not care for Reiko until after their battle, and that Yuko disliked her and pretended to be friendly to avoid confrontation.

that's true (at least that's what I believe, which might be wrong, but I'm 99% sure this is true happy )

TurboYuko16 wrote:
It also states that they fought several times. When? I am only aware of one, when Reiko died.

did I mention that? Shocked
maybe I expressed my ideas with wrong sentences (maybe it's my english again heh heh )
anyway, I remember I mention this:
Reiko was able to kill Yuko many times, so easily, but wanted her to stay alive
I should rephrase this sentence by next update. I meant that Reiko had several chances to kill Yuko in that one and only battle.

if you played the MSX version of Valis 1, while fighting Reiko, you will notice that Reiko uses her speciality (Death Flash) only once! and that speciality causes more than 60% of Yuko's HP!
now imagine Reiko uses it twice or thrice, Yuko would be absolutely dead! fear
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PostSubject: Re: Hidden stuff in Valis game files   Thu 01 Jan 2009, 3:42 am

evilReiko wrote:


if you played the MSX version of Valis 1, while fighting Reiko, you will notice that Reiko uses her speciality (Death Flash) only once! and that speciality causes more than 60% of Yuko's HP!
now imagine Reiko uses it twice or thrice, Yuko would be absolutely dead! fear

I know that's also the case in the Genesis/Mega Drive version of Valis, where Reiko uses her Death Flash technique only when she is practically near death. But yeah, if Reiko did use that on Yuko more than once, Yuko would certainly be dead.

Anyway, yes, you have a point...Reiko had opportunities to kill Yuko, but didn't. Even Yuko herself noticed that, and mentioned that Reiko didn't fight her best on purpose.
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PostSubject: Re: Hidden stuff in Valis game files   Tue 06 Jan 2009, 9:29 pm

Hmm...If you fail at life, die....What a wonderful thought, XD So she was in the 1st one, okay.
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