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PostSubject: New things revealed about Valis II !!!!   Tue 24 Nov 2009, 5:17 pm

I've just finished the first stage of Valis II (X68000 version)..
I have to say..
THIS..GAME... IS... UNBELIEVABLY... GREAT!
VALIS.IS.BEST.GAME.EVER! affraid affraid affraid eee eee Chu Chu Chu Chu

special thanks to:
Zeloz for providing us the link Chu
Mijet for translating this awesome game
and Telenet (ok, not everyone, but at least Renovation for making a sequel to Valis Chu )

Things I learnt so far from the game:

Spoiler:
 

Man, I love Valis affraid eee Chu happy heart happy heart

I must draw a fanart for Cruel King Megas eee eee
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PostSubject: Re: New things revealed about Valis II !!!!   Tue 24 Nov 2009, 9:24 pm

Strangely, the first level seems to be the hardest, because your HP is real low and you tend to slide off the platforms. But with practice it's manageable. This game in general strikes a good balance of difficulty. Maybe this weekend I will get around to finishing it. X68000 version is definitely the best version of Valis II.

I wonder if more backstory stuff is explained in Valis I for PC Engine.
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PostSubject: Re: New things revealed about Valis II !!!!   Wed 25 Nov 2009, 12:02 pm

Amazing, Reiko! Very Happy This is definitely more to take into consideration for our various theories. Especially since some things have been cleared up!

Also, it lends a bit of truth to a particular theory revolving around Rogles, Reiko, and that duplicate Valis sword she wields...
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PostSubject: Re: New things revealed about Valis II !!!!   Thu 26 Nov 2009, 4:01 am

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I wonder if more backstory stuff is explained in Valis I for PC Engine.

Valis I PCE definitely has some interesting details!
Don't forget Valis IV as well, it was never translated into English Smile

It might be more difficult to hack & trasnlate these Valis I & IV PCE, but it's not difficult to write down the translation in text files (by one of the Japanese members here Smile )

HeromanX wrote:
Amazing, Reiko! Very Happy This is definitely more to take into consideration for our various theories. Especially since some things have been cleared up!

Also, it lends a bit of truth to a particular theory revolving around Rogles, Reiko, and that duplicate Valis sword she wields...

Valis II X68K has very interesting story!
I will try to finish the game soon and see what I can find out Smile
Hope Valis77 provides us LP for this Very Happy It will be pretty useful chu
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PostSubject: Re: New things revealed about Valis II !!!!   Thu 26 Nov 2009, 3:26 pm

In indubitably! By the way, happy thanksgiving guys!
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PostSubject: Re: New things revealed about Valis II !!!!   Thu 26 Nov 2009, 11:18 pm

If not for the bad controls this game is by far the best anyways.
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PostSubject: Re: New things revealed about Valis II !!!!   Fri 27 Nov 2009, 8:51 pm

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If not for the bad controls this game is by far the best anyways.

True. The movements are really glitchy and annoying, it's not fun to play as a game. As they've already said, everything about the game is excellent (story, music, visuals, sprites, etc) except the gameplay


I've just completed the game, and it's really nice game... and lots of things are revealed (the info are surprising)..

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Valis I (Genesis/PCE) and II (X68000) have really really the best storylines! Valis 3 & 4 are still good, but not as good as I and II chu

After playing this version, I feel really really sad that such great game and story was never remake with high graphics, better voice-acting, etc.. (Valis X is a failure remake! but we still didn't check Valis I and II the mobile games.. so... I wonder.. chu )

If anyone finishes the X68K version, plz add your notes here chu


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PostSubject: Re: New things revealed about Valis II !!!!   Fri 27 Nov 2009, 11:36 pm

Just in a general retrospective, I think the series really plays well into developing the characters, despite all the inconsistencies. My thoughts are that canonically, they made nearly every antagonist somehow admirable in the quality that they could've been considered more an anti-hero - killing for the greater good or for the benefit of many instead of their own petty squabbles. There are some obvious exceptions, such as Rogles and Gallagher, but more or less, they seem to have other motives to fight for. Megas for vengeance on the account of betrayal, Glames and his generals in vain effort to save their people from being consumed by a void (some may assume it's a black hole). This motive extends to their subordinates as well, meaning Cham's apparent friendliness doesn't seem so out of place when considering her origins. In a way, it's kind of sad to see these characters killed by their honorable ambitions.

I haven't really played the x68k version yet (I've been doing things on Cloud Nine instead), but suffice to say, it sounds like the game took some liberties, much like most Valis games do (by that, I mean there's all sorts of inconsistencies. *rolls eyes*). Thanks for the report, Reiko. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: New things revealed about Valis II !!!!   Sat 28 Nov 2009, 12:20 am

evilReiko wrote:


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When you are talking about the "MSX" version of Valis 2, don't you really mean the PCE CD/Turbo Duo version of the game? I mean, the MSX2 version of Valis 2 (which I played) is virtually the same as the X68K versions, except the MSX2 version didn't have as good graphics nor the voice acting that the X68K had. I just thought to point that out. Oops

Besides, there was no Valis 3 or Valis 4 on the MSX/MSX2. Valis 3 was only on the PCE CD/Turbo Duo and Mega Drive/Genesis while Valis 4 was on the PCE CD and Super Famicom/SNES. ^^
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PostSubject: Re: New things revealed about Valis II !!!!   Sat 28 Nov 2009, 4:13 am

EYOWZA!! That sure brings new angles to light! Scratch the ghost Reiko idea I had for my fanfic, I'll follow this story arch! eee

Also, I'll have to ask Shadow Blade something real quick, as there is one plot idea I've been going over in my head for a bit, and I think I have the solution. wink
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PostSubject: Re: New things revealed about Valis II !!!!   Sat 28 Nov 2009, 7:56 am

iannafei wrote:
When you are talking about the "MSX" version of Valis 2, don't you really mean the PCE CD/Turbo Duo version of the game? I mean, the MSX2 version of Valis 2 (which I played) is virtually the same as the X68K versions, except the MSX2 version didn't have as good graphics nor the voice acting that the X68K had. I just thought to point that out. Oops

Besides, there was no Valis 3 or Valis 4 on the MSX/MSX2. Valis 3 was only on the PCE CD/Turbo Duo and Mega Drive/Genesis while Valis 4 was on the PCE CD and Super Famicom/SNES. ^^

I meant the Turbo Duo when I was saying the MSX heh-heh I edited my post, thanks for correcting me happy
(it's because I never played any of the Valis games on the actual platforms/consoles, but only using emulators XP heh-heh )
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PostSubject: Re: New things revealed about Valis II !!!!   Sat 28 Nov 2009, 6:25 pm

Just to clarify, the order goes like this. First they made the "old" Valis I games for MSX and Famicom. Then they made Valis II for MSX. Shortly after that it was ported to the X68000 with improved sound and graphics, but basically the same game, same gameplay, same cutscenes etc. At some point after this a game called Valis II was made for PCE CD and Turbo CD, but it's a totally different game which is only vaguely connected to the "old" Valis II. The story is kind of the same but not as good. The levels and graphics are totally totally different. After that Valis III was made for PCE CD and then Valis IV. At some point Valis Visual Collection was released which just has the cutscenes, bah. Finally they remade Valis I for PCE CD and Mega Drive. I think the story for this game is actually more based on the "old" Valis II than the "old" Valis I games, unless there is another Valis I game I don't know about.

Just forget about Valis II on PCE, it's not worth it.

I forgot to mention Super Valis IV for SNES. It kind of sucks. I wouldn't bother with it either.
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PostSubject: Re: New things revealed about Valis II !!!!   Sat 27 Mar 2010, 8:22 pm

Seeing as the PC Valis II versions (MSX, NEC PC-88/98, X68k) and the Console Valis II versions (PC Engine, MegaDrive) differ in terms of storyline, which one could be considered canon? From what EvilReiko has found, the storylines of both games are differ in more than just minor detail. One suggests the fact that Reiko is indeed alive, while the other gives Rogles and Megas a common bloodline. But since almost none of the key characters of the first two Valis games appear in the last two, either could be-

...wait a second. Now that I think about it...

Valis III (for the Genesis anyway) explicitly states in it's introduction that Yuko and Valna are twins, brought to light by Valia's passing words. Now, if EvilReiko is past the part that Valia dies (Oh, BTW spoilers xD), and this "fact" hasn't been stated, then the X68k, and more than likely the other PC adaptions, don't follow the same storyline as Valis III. Furthermore, Reiko appearing to Yuko in spirit (again, based on the Genesis version), suggests that Reiko is still dead. With this in mind, I'm guessing that the canon for the console games and the PC games are actually rather different.

Now, which one would be considered official canon, then?
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PostSubject: Re: New things revealed about Valis II !!!!   Sun 28 Mar 2010, 6:39 am

Man I wish I could have played Valis II and Valis IV (PC or Turbo Graph CD version, I only have the snes version of Valis IV but it's still a good game. I even found a kink in Gallagher's resistance to shot attacks
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PostSubject: Re: New things revealed about Valis II !!!!   Sun 28 Mar 2010, 2:34 pm

Things mentioned in Valis III intro about Valis II are stable, that's for sure rabbit which are:

- Megas is new emperor who conquered Vanity after Rogles
- Valia was killed by Megas
- Valna is twin sister of Yuko of Valis 1, and Valia is Yuko of Valis 1 's real mother
- Yuko of Valis 1 successfully defeated Megas

The rest of info about Valis II are instable, like:

- Rogles & Megas are brothers?
- Reiko is spirit only, or she's revived!?

I believe Valis II X68k version is the most correct version chu

ZeLoz (akaBill) wrote:
Furthermore, Reiko appearing to Yuko in spirit (again, based on the Genesis version), suggests that Reiko is still dead. With this in mind, I'm guessing that the canon for the console games and the PC games are actually rather different.

As you mentioned dear friend, Reiko appears as spirit only in Valis III Genesis version, but she doesn't appear in Valis III turbo duo version, which means this is instable info happy
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PostSubject: Re: New things revealed about Valis II !!!!   Sun 28 Mar 2010, 4:26 pm

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As you mentioned dear friend, Reiko appears as spirit only in Valis III Genesis version, but she doesn't appear in Valis III turbo duo version, which means this is instable info happy

Interesting I never knew that Cool. I'm familiar with the Genesis version of Valis III but I never knew that about the Turbo Duo version wink .
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PostSubject: Re: New things revealed about Valis II !!!!   Mon 29 Mar 2010, 11:04 am

Oh crap, I've only played the PC Engine version. I didn't know the Genesis version had a different story.

Well, the canon is up to SunSoft now.
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PostSubject: Re: New things revealed about Valis II !!!!   Mon 29 Mar 2010, 1:18 pm

The teams which made Valis 2 differ.
Valis 2 is a game which is different since it made the project for PC games, and for turbo duos at the period.
However,Valis 2 of the graphic design used for the game is the same respectively.
Valis 2 of PC game is not related to the story of Valis 3 and Valis 4.
With the PC version, megas is not a brother of Rogles.

---Story---
PC Game Ver1-,PC Game Ver2 End

PC Game Ver1-,Duo Ver2,Duo Ver3,Duo Ver4 End

NES Ver1 orignal End
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PostSubject: Re: New things revealed about Valis II !!!!   Mon 29 Mar 2010, 3:29 pm

gorori wrote:
The teams which made Valis 2 differ.
---Story---
PC Game Ver1-,PC Game Ver2 End

PC Game Ver1-,Duo Ver2,Duo Ver3,Duo Ver4 End

NES Ver1 orignal End

So Valis II on the PC tells and concludes the story from Valis I for PC, while Valis I (PC or Duo), Valis II (Duo), Valis III (Duo) and Valis IV (Duo) are story connected---scratch Oops .
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PostSubject: Re: New things revealed about Valis II !!!!   Tue 30 Mar 2010, 2:52 pm

Okay. I think the X68000 version tells its story a lot better than the PC Engine version tells its story. I hope SunSoft does with Valis what Falcom has done with Ys. The game market is large enough now to accomodate these kind of niche games.
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PostSubject: Re: New things revealed about Valis II !!!!   Tue 30 Mar 2010, 4:15 pm

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Okay. I think the X68000 version tells its story a lot better than the PC Engine version tells its story. I hope SunSoft does with Valis what Falcom has done with Ys. The game market is large enough now to accomodate these kind of niche games.

Besides Valis, Elder Scrolls and Lunar---Ys is another one of my favorite game series.
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PostSubject: Re: New things revealed about Valis II !!!!   Fri 02 Apr 2010, 12:18 am

Just throwing this out there, but has anyone played the PC-8801/MSX/Whatever version of Valis I to completion? I tried, but I could never get past the annoying first level and the dreaded DUZZDULL.
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PostSubject: Re: New things revealed about Valis II !!!!   Fri 02 Apr 2010, 2:14 am

There is a PC-8801 version and there is a MSX version, I think both are interesting Chu

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btw, I'll (most probably) create a similar page and have same games and emulators in my website, just so that we make sure we don't lose these game chu
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PostSubject: Re: New things revealed about Valis II !!!!   Fri 02 Apr 2010, 3:00 am

Right, you do that. Very Happy

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