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PostSubject: The aftermath of Valis Cross   Wed 05 Oct 2011, 10:31 pm

When Valis X came out, I wanted to know what the reaction was in Japan, but didn't know where to look. But now that the dust has cleared, ja.Wikipedia has the rest of the story...

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%B4%E3%82%A1%E3%83%AA%E3%82%B9X

...Granted you have to translate it with Google or Babelfish (or both), but the last part of the article is very interesting.

本作は日本テレネットの経営上の失敗の梃入れとしてイーアンツが製作し、日本テレネットが版権元として当時同社が運営したBB5.jpで販売されたが、本来、健全かつ硬派なヒロイックファンタジーであった『夢幻戦士ヴァリス』シリーズを、発売メーカーである日本テレネットが横スクロール型のアクションゲームからアクション性を廃した選択肢式のアダルトアドベンチャーゲームへとコンセプトを変更して発表したことは極めて異例の事態であった。だがこの余りの方針転換は旧来のファン達ばかりか、初期から作品を手掛けてたスタッフ陣(特にキャラクターデザインのスタッフ)までをも激怒させ、その彼らの怒りは不買運動を大々的に呼び掛ける事態にまで発展した。

これに関しては旧シリーズ第1作で日本テレネット社員として原案とキャラクターデザインを担当したPiXELは、職務著作のため自分に『ヴァリス』の権利が存在しないことは承知の上で、日本テレネットの姿勢に対し、自身のサイトに設置している電子掲示板で強い不快感を示したり、漫画版の作者ZOLも苦言を呈するコメントをのこした。

日本テレネットはその後も『アークス』、『魔法の少女シルキーリップ』と過去作品のアダルトゲーム化路線を継続したが、これもやはりファンや開発スタッフからの更なる怒りを買う事となり、路線変更は完全な裏目に出た挙句、加速度的に悪化した業績は、最早、軌道修正が不可能な結果を招くという末路を辿った。そして、かねてからの業績不振が止めを刺す形となり、2007年10月に約10億円の負債による事業停止を発表し、事実上倒産した。

Let's see if we can make sense of this...

Here's the Babelfish tranlation-
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"But policy conversion of this remainder not only the conventional fan, has managed the work from first stage staff position (the staff of especially character design) to rage, the their anger developed to the situation which calls boycott of goods extensively."
The Google translation-
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This work is produced as a leverage for the failure of management Iantsu of Telenet Japan was run by the company that was sold in BB5.jp copyrighted Telenet Japan as the source, nature, healthy and bulls in the heroic fantasy was "Phantom Soldier Valis" series, announced that by changing the concept of choice and expression to adult adventure game you may waste a side-scrolling action game action from the makers launched Telenet Japan is extremely unusual situation was. Policy change over But this is not only fans of the older, senior staff Did engaged in work early (staff of the character design in particular) enraged even the wrath of them is up to the situation call for a big boycott developed.
The Valis fans, and the original Valis staff... anger? Enraged? Telenet would "feel their wrath" in the form of a massive Telent boycott?

Babelfish-
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With old series 1st work as for PiXEL which takes charge of original idea and character design as the Japanese Telenet employee, for the duty literary work by your 'as for right of [vuarisu]' not existing in regard to consent, you show the strong unpleasant impression with the bulletin board system which it has installed in itself sight vis-a-vis the attitude of the Japanese Telenet, in regard to this, the comment where also writer ZOL of cartoon edition displays painful word was left.
Google-
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PiXEL about this draft and was in charge of character design in Japan as an employee of 1st Telenet old series, in order to work his duties, "Valis" is that there is no right to knowingly, Telenet Japan's attitude for, or demonstrate a strong discomfort electronic bulletin board that is placed on the site itself, leave a comment also make difficulties over ZOL cartoon version of the author.
So Valis' original creator/character designer was upset that Telenet made Valis X without his consent and he left "Painful words" on Telenet's own BBS, both to Telenet, and to ZOL, the hentai artist in charge of the new manga?

Let's read on...

Babelfish-
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The Japanese Telenet after that 'the girl silky lip of [akusu]' and 'magic' and past continued the adult game conversion route of the work, but after all it became this after all to buy the further anger from the fan and the development staff, route modification appeared in the complete reverse side, the achievement which deteriorates accelerating, traced the end road that most quickly, it causes the result whose course correction is impossible. After and, combining, it became the shape where the achievement inactivity sticks the stop, it announced the business stop with the debt of approximately 1,000,000,000 Yen in 2007 October, went bankrupt in fact.
Google-
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Telenet Japan thereafter, "Arcs", "Magical Girl Silky Lip" The route continued past work or adult games, it becomes more outrage from fans and staff development but it too, will change route backfired at last complete performance deteriorated at an accelerated pace is no longer followed the fate of the consequences of non-course correction. And put a stop becomes a form of poor performance for some time, announced a business down by about 10 billion in debt in October 2007, was virtually bankrupt.

And from the ja.wikipedia page on Telent...

なお、2000年代に入り譲渡後の一部ソフトがアダルトゲーム化されるなど、それまでの作品と異なるイメージで発表されると言う前代未聞の方向性を取り入れている。その代表例が夢幻戦士ヴァリスをアダルトゲーム化したヴァリスXであるが、この作品においてはファンはもちろんのこと、初期キャラクターデザインスタッフも激怒。不買運動まで発生する事態となってしまい、結局上記経営再建失敗による倒産の遠因となってしまった(詳細はヴァリスXの項目に詳しい)。

Google-
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In addition, adult games, such as whether the software is part of the 2000s after the transfer, which incorporates the direction of the image to be presented at an unprecedented say is different from previous work. What is an adult game Valis X-Mugen Senshi Valis A typical example in this work not to mention fans, enraged even the initial character design staff. And sister would happen to boycott, it became a remote cause of bankruptcy by restructuring the above eventually fails.
So... Telenet's attempt to stay afloat by whoring out Valis to the lowest common denominator not only failed, but the resulting boycott pushed them over the edge and killed them.

Karma's a bitch.

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PostSubject: Re: The aftermath of Valis Cross   Wed 05 Oct 2011, 11:10 pm

Moral of the story:
If you're going to shoot yourself in the foot---don't take a beloved franchise down with you Evil or Very Mad .

If Telenet wanted to do an adult game they could have done so without turning Valis into a Hentai Porn, not everyone is into that shit. They could have done it but used different or new characters.
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PostSubject: Re: The aftermath of Valis Cross   Thu 06 Oct 2011, 4:05 am

Lord Adrian wrote:
Moral of the story:
If Telenet wanted to do an adult game they could have done so without turning Valis into a Hentai Porn, not everyone is into that shit. They could have done it but used different or new characters.

I think they needed money so badly: "Developing hentai game would bring lots of money, but what if we develop a hentai game using known characters? we would be so rich so quickly!" <<<--- that's what they thought, basically.

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PostSubject: Re: The aftermath of Valis Cross   Thu 06 Oct 2011, 7:35 am

Were the mobile phone games received well? I know they weren't released by Telenet but does Valis still have an okay sized fandom in Japan now despite Valis X?
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PostSubject: Re: The aftermath of Valis Cross   Thu 06 Oct 2011, 11:54 am

ZeckyZeck wrote:
Were the mobile phone games received well? I know they weren't released by Telenet but does Valis still have an okay sized fandom in Japan now despite Valis X?
Since Valis is an old work, the popularity as a mobile phone game is low.
Those who know Valis were the games which play nostalgia.
Many of Valis fans do not regard HENTAI GAME for Valis as desirable.
It is because the cause was a official work of Valis.
I think that it was different evaluation when it was a fan's work.
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PostSubject: Re: The aftermath of Valis Cross   Thu 06 Oct 2011, 12:46 pm

evilReiko wrote:
that's what they thought, basically.

That's what they thought and that's what got 'em shut down. They could have just done an actual Valis V game and continue the series---but no. They got to drunk on Saki and high on Opium to come to a reasonable decision. Oh well let's hope Sunsoft can far better---that is IF they deside to revive the series or any of Telenets games.
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PostSubject: Re: The aftermath of Valis Cross   Sun 26 May 2013, 7:43 am

This is a devastating blow

Consequences resulting from the 2006 to the present time can not heal with those
Now valis has become ridiculed the Japanese otaku monster

Also wants to evade the normal work
Would think the destruction valis
Fukushima caused resentment is put!
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