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PostSubject: Father's name?   Thu 24 Apr 2008, 11:33 pm

Well, anyone knows whats the name of Rogles and Megas' father? In Valis 2 this father is mentionated but I don't remember if his name is pronunciated, thanks for any info, if any image exists abiut this guy much better. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Father's name?   Fri 25 Apr 2008, 1:40 am

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Well, anyone knows whats the name of Rogles and Megas' father? In Valis 2 this father is mentionated but I don't remember if his name is pronunciated, thanks for any info, if any image exists abiut this guy much better. cheers

If my memory serves, I believe his name is King Kaiser (not really sure of the spelling), which was mentioned by Megas at the end of Valis 2, at least in the Turbo Duo version. I don't know if that is his name (or if he existed) in the Japanese PC Engine CD version, though.
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PostSubject: Re: Father's name?   Fri 25 Apr 2008, 3:18 am

iannafei is right. Their father's name is mentioned twice as "King Kaiser" (I'm also not sure of the spelling Razz )

there are some characters in Valis that their names mentioned only once.

we all know that Rogles has the lieutenants: Gyeda, Geeva, Venom, Izard, Voldes, and Reiko. 6 lieutenants right?

well, Rogles actually had 8 lieutenants! 2 more lieutenants of Rogles appear in Valis 2, their names are: one is called "Zaluga" (the first boss in Valis 2, that giant red monster), and the 2nd is "Gallen" (not sure of the spelling, he's the green tiger boss). those 2 are lieutenants along with the other 6

also, did you know that Valia has a close lieutenant, a woman called as "Juda" (not sure of the spelling, she's a woman with short pink hair). She's close to Valia just like how Izard close to Rogles
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PostSubject: Re: Father's name?   Fri 25 Apr 2008, 6:04 am

I was just playing Valis II on my Turbo Duo a couple of days ago and King Kaier is the name of Rogles and Magas' father well at least in the US version. But when you fight Zaluga and Gallen in the game they proclame to be one of the Rogles' 12 generals.......12? evilReiko has stated 8 of them so is there another 4 or was it just a bad translation?
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PostSubject: Re: Father's name?   Fri 25 Apr 2008, 7:40 am

Did you just say... 12 Shocked ?! that's so possible. Can you please tell me in which part they mention this if you can remember?
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PostSubject: Re: Father's name?   Fri 25 Apr 2008, 11:04 am

King Kaiser? Allright! I have the curiosity since I see my Valis Visual Collection (I don't have Valis 2 for TurboGrafx) so, the scenes are in japanese and I only read about the Rogles and Megas' father, but never read his name, thanks, you're great guys. Chu
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PostSubject: Re: Father's name?   Fri 25 Apr 2008, 5:51 pm

Ok here's the official script from the first battle with Zaruga on Turbo version of Valis II:

Zaruga " I am the Red Salamander Zaruga one of Roglas' 12 generals, Come warrior Valri let us engadge in commat "

........and then Yuko asks him why he he says they need the sword and so on and you gill him and when you fight Gallen he states hes the last of the 12 generals.
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PostSubject: Re: Father's name?   Fri 25 Apr 2008, 5:53 pm

Please excuse my spelling............ i just got home from work i'm really tired.......................i need a coffee.
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PostSubject: Re: Father's name?   Mon 28 Apr 2008, 12:56 pm

Well this may not seem relevant, but in my up-coming Fan Fic that evilReiko has so graciously decided to host on his webside, I wrote the spme of the episodes which have Rogles' father in it with no idea as to his name... so immediatly I decided to give him one, naming him Mortanius (Pronounced Mor-at-nius)

Either either you prefer the official name of Rogles' father or you prefer the name I gave him, I'm just telling you what went on in my mind at the time.
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PostSubject: Re: Father's name?   Tue 29 Apr 2008, 2:26 am

for me, wether Mortanius or Kaiser, both are ok. just choose whatever you think is best for your fanfic wink
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PostSubject: Re: Father's name?   Thu 01 May 2008, 4:46 pm

evilReiko wrote:
for me, wether Mortanius or Kaiser, both are ok. just choose whatever you think is best for your fanfic wink

I think Mortanius sounds a lot cooler than Kaiser (although I wish I knew Japanese/had the Japanese PCE version of Valis 2 to see if the name was mentioned in that version so I could know for sure). However, I do agree with evilReiko that it should be up to you as far as which name to use (whatever is more suitable for the fic).
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PostSubject: Re: Father's name?   Sat 24 May 2008, 11:16 pm

iannafei wrote:
evilReiko wrote:
for me, wether Mortanius or Kaiser, both are ok. just choose whatever you think is best for your fanfic wink

I think Mortanius sounds a lot cooler than Kaiser
I agree, however, for the fan fiction, I'f stick with King Kaiser as there will be fan boys that will flame you saying: "U n00b his nam i s King Kaiser lol fag1"

Also, doesn't the name King Kaiser seem a little redundant? Kaiser is the German word for Emperor, so he's King Emperor? I'm guessing that his Japanese name translates to something along the lines of "King of Kings" of course, translators just have to fuck it up.
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PostSubject: Re: Father's name?   Sun 25 May 2008, 5:07 am

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I agree, however, for the fan fiction, I'f stick with King Kaiser as there will be fan boys that will flame you saying: "U n00b his nam i s King Kaiser lol fag1"

Also, doesn't the name King Kaiser seem a little redundant? Kaiser is the German word for Emperor, so he's King Emperor? I'm guessing that his Japanese name translates to something along the lines of "King of Kings" of course, translators just have to fuck it up.

Quite Frankly I couldn't give 2 ****s what people think. It's MY Fanfiction, thus it's MY desicion.

And seeing as you just pointed out a previously unseen-but-bloody obvious reason why I should change the name You've given me more insentive to keep the name Mortanius and not switch it back.

One more thing on my mind, if your conciderign yourself one of those flaming fan boys, I'd show you something that I'm sure wouldn't be allowed pre the 9pm Watershed.
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PostSubject: Re: Father's name?   Sun 25 May 2008, 8:01 am

oh guys, no need for fighting. it's only about exchanging ideas.

Glacier36 has the full-right to do whatever he wants about his fanfiction. Wether it's Kaiser or Mortanius, I think both are great, in the end, final decision goes to Glacier36 happy
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PostSubject: Re: Father's name?   Sun 25 May 2008, 2:45 pm

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Quite Frankly I couldn't give 2 ****s what people think.
Glad you feel that way.

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And seeing as you just pointed out a previously unseen-but-bloody obvious reason why I should change the name You've given me more insentive to keep the name Mortanius and not switch it back.
Glad I could instigate. ;-P


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One more thing on my mind, if your conciderign yourself one of those flaming fan boys...
Dear God NO! The two things I hate the most in this world are emos and fanboys/girls. I did get flamed quite a bit when I posted a Mega Man Zero fan fiction. The bastards got angry because I killed off Cerveau. Ever since I made sure to warn everyone I knew that was making a fan fiction that changed a name or detail.

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I'd show you something that I'm sure wouldn't be allowed pre the 9pm Watershed
I'm assuming you're talking about a middle finger. I've been flipped off more times (in real life and on forums) than I can count, so that wouldn't really do anything.
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PostSubject: Re: Father's name?   Sun 25 May 2008, 5:32 pm

About that whole Mortanius/Kaiser thing, you could just weasel out of it and say it's his last name. That's what I would do. Laughing

It's not like some new game is going to prove you wrong.
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PostSubject: Re: Father's name?   Sun 25 May 2008, 7:40 pm

Well, again "Kaiser" is the name given in the English Turbo Duo version of Valis 2. I don't have the Japanese PC Engine version of Valis 2, so I can't really say if it is indeed his name (or if he is even mentioned, because sometimes Japanese scripts could be A LOT different from their other language counterparts). Besides, there does not seen to be much info-wise on the web as far him concerned, although this page has some good info on Valis (even though it's in Japanese...you might need a web page translator to read it).

Anyway, I don't know if too many people might care whether Kaiser or Mortanius since I don't think there is too many Valis "purists" out there, since it isn't as popular of a game as say...Mega Man X or Final Fantasy VII. I'm sure many of us here wouldn't mind if Kaiser or Mortanius is used. (Then again, I'm probably just speaking for myself.) heh-heh

If worse comes to worse, the author could always put a "disclaimer" that the names might not be cannon because of the author's discretion/lack of information, or something to that effect.

Otherwise...there's not really a need to fight amongst ourselves, okay? Oops
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PostSubject: Re: Father's name?   Mon 26 May 2008, 12:41 am

iannafei wrote:
Otherwise...there's not really a need to fight amongst ourselves, okay? Oops

Who's fighting?

Reel wrote:
About that whole Mortanius/Kaiser thing, you could just weasel out of it and say it's his last name. That's what I would do. Laughing

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